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Experiencing Pain Behind Ribs, Rest And Panadol Helps. Have RA And On Prednisone With Endone And Valium. Suggest?
Question: Hi, I am experiencing severe pain in the region of my back on the lower right hand side behind my ribs. It's a sharp, stabbing pain and this is the second episode but more severe than the first experienced in the last two weeks. Rest and Panadol helped the first time round. I have RA and among other DMARDS I am on nine mg of Prednisolone daily. The pain was intolerable last night and I added another five mg of Prednisolone to my meds as well as ten mg of Endone and five mg of Valium and four hourly Panadol Osteo. I am comfortable while immobile in this moment but any movement brings on the pain. Can you diagnose? Many thanks.
Brief Answer:
It still seems fibromyalgia might be responsible
Detailed Answer:
Hello XXXXXXX
Thanks for posting on XXXXXXX
It is very likely that fibromyalgia might still be the cause of the pain as you described it. That might be a tender point of fibromyalgia. Another alternative (likely) is costochondritis (an inflammation of a rib or the cartilage connecting a rib). Besides those two most likely cause, the others are less likely and are usually associated with other symptoms. Paradoxically, some pain medications can exhibit side effect of pain and you might suffering from this.
I would have loved personally to examine the area just to be sure of my impression but since that I am unable to do that, I suggest you see a doctor to have a look and maybe run a scan(if necessary).
Hope this helps and if you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.
Dr. Nsah
It still seems fibromyalgia might be responsible
Detailed Answer:
Hello XXXXXXX
Thanks for posting on XXXXXXX
It is very likely that fibromyalgia might still be the cause of the pain as you described it. That might be a tender point of fibromyalgia. Another alternative (likely) is costochondritis (an inflammation of a rib or the cartilage connecting a rib). Besides those two most likely cause, the others are less likely and are usually associated with other symptoms. Paradoxically, some pain medications can exhibit side effect of pain and you might suffering from this.
I would have loved personally to examine the area just to be sure of my impression but since that I am unable to do that, I suggest you see a doctor to have a look and maybe run a scan(if necessary).
Hope this helps and if you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.
Dr. Nsah
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Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
Thank you, just wondering if Costochondritis is an inflammatory condition associated with Rheumatoid Arthritis? I am also wondering if the cessation of Gold Injections (50 mg monthly) might be presenting these pain symptoms? I was advised by my rheumatologist that since my blood tests had been stable for some time we should stop the gold..."we have much better drugs in our arsenals thse days and it is an old-fashioned fashioned treatment", he said, ( though very successful for me for some twenty years now. I know Gold is cumulative and it has occurred to me ceasing it, ( four months now) inlammatory symptoms may have re-surfaced (?)
Brief Answer:
it is hardly related to RA
Detailed Answer:
thanks for updating
There is no direct correlation between costochondritis and rheumatoid arthritsi but it could be a risk factor. Well i am not sure about the gold injection being responsible for the pain (as it does not appear to lead to pain as side effect). Stopping gold injection then observing is a good way to go since your blood tests seem to be normalizing and your pain subsided. Costochondritis usually occurs acutely and you can get relief with any other pain killer or allow the pain to die down if not severe. Do how ever talk with your rheumatologist about this new development. It will also be wise to rule out lung related conditions by doing a chest x XXXXXXX
If you are presently on treatment for fibromyalgia then it will be a good time to see your doctor for treatment adjustment. I want to believe that your present pain management protocol was also aimed at getting rid of the fibromyalgia pains.
Hope this helps.
Dr. Nsah
it is hardly related to RA
Detailed Answer:
thanks for updating
There is no direct correlation between costochondritis and rheumatoid arthritsi but it could be a risk factor. Well i am not sure about the gold injection being responsible for the pain (as it does not appear to lead to pain as side effect). Stopping gold injection then observing is a good way to go since your blood tests seem to be normalizing and your pain subsided. Costochondritis usually occurs acutely and you can get relief with any other pain killer or allow the pain to die down if not severe. Do how ever talk with your rheumatologist about this new development. It will also be wise to rule out lung related conditions by doing a chest x XXXXXXX
If you are presently on treatment for fibromyalgia then it will be a good time to see your doctor for treatment adjustment. I want to believe that your present pain management protocol was also aimed at getting rid of the fibromyalgia pains.
Hope this helps.
Dr. Nsah
Above answer was peer-reviewed by :
Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
Managed with drug protocol during the day, more comfortable standing, moving than sitting, visited the local doctor who as a first step, requested X-rays. Obviously no inflammatory, tissue will show up this way but he is concerned about possible osteoporosis complications due to the long-term use of steroids, despite a recent bone density scan revealing normal range results. I've upped the Prednisolone now to 25mg, 20mg of OxyContin plus 5 mg Endone and Panadol every 4 to 6 hours. Twenty mins. ago every movement I made was excruciating and I seemed to go into spasm where I could only shuffle backwards to sit down. The pain is constant but stabs intolerably with even the slightest movement. I took a 5mg Valium and sat with a hot pack for twenty mins and beginning to feel more comfortable. I don't know if this is info. you need or want to hear, just thought it may be of interest clinically for you.
Brief Answer:
May agree with your doctor on osteoporos
Detailed Answer:
Hello XXXXXXX
thanks for updating,
Given the description of the pain, it would be wise to start looking at osteoporosis as being the cause (since you have been on steroids for long and one of the long term side effects of steroid use is osteoporosis). The osteoporosis might be minute yet could cause some great deal of pain. I also have the impression that your pain might also be psychogenic and you might need other medications such as tricyclic antidepressant (e.g amitryptilline) or anxiolytics to help with the pain management.
I also recommend an MRI/CT scan which can give us more information.
Valium as a myolerelaxant and an anxiolytic at the same time can be helpful in your situation and if it works, then your pain might be either of psychogenic and/or muscle cramps origin. Also important to do blood tests such as serum calcium, Na, K, ASLO, CBC etc.
Amongst the medications you mentioned, prednisolone is the only one with side effect being bone pain. Bone pains are usually severe and excruciating. I feel you are already on too many pain medicines and you should be thinking of treatment adjustment. You can discuss with a pain management specialist or an anesthesist for better pain relief options.
Hope this helps and wish you the best.
Dr. Nsah
May agree with your doctor on osteoporos
Detailed Answer:
Hello XXXXXXX
thanks for updating,
Given the description of the pain, it would be wise to start looking at osteoporosis as being the cause (since you have been on steroids for long and one of the long term side effects of steroid use is osteoporosis). The osteoporosis might be minute yet could cause some great deal of pain. I also have the impression that your pain might also be psychogenic and you might need other medications such as tricyclic antidepressant (e.g amitryptilline) or anxiolytics to help with the pain management.
I also recommend an MRI/CT scan which can give us more information.
Valium as a myolerelaxant and an anxiolytic at the same time can be helpful in your situation and if it works, then your pain might be either of psychogenic and/or muscle cramps origin. Also important to do blood tests such as serum calcium, Na, K, ASLO, CBC etc.
Amongst the medications you mentioned, prednisolone is the only one with side effect being bone pain. Bone pains are usually severe and excruciating. I feel you are already on too many pain medicines and you should be thinking of treatment adjustment. You can discuss with a pain management specialist or an anesthesist for better pain relief options.
Hope this helps and wish you the best.
Dr. Nsah
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Above answer was peer-reviewed by :
Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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