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Question : My doctor just put me on 300 mg. of lithium for 10 days,then up it to the ex @450mg. He is not sure if I am bipolar. I also have been suffering from total night time insomnia for one year since I was weaned off of 1000 mg. of depakote ER due to the side affect of parkinsonism. I am 69 yes. old, also have COPD & I think that I may have sleep apnea also. I had on overnight sleep study done in 6/2013 which showed I do not have sleep apnea, but I get zero REM sleep and zero XXXXXXX sleep. I went to my pulmonary Dr. with a referral from my psychiatrist. But his reply was that the underlying condition must be treated and he could not help me. I asked if I could have the home study test to see if a CPAP would benefit me...I told him I snore, sleep days because of my insomnia and when I get up, I am totally fatigued and can't manage to do anything....I thought maybe I didn't have sleep apnea 2 years ago, but may have it now. I have been 95% bedridden for a little over two years now and feel like I'm on a merry go round with these Dr.'s here in FL.. I am originally from the tri State area where I was able to get the best doctors. I am so very sorry that we moved to FL...had I known this, I never would have. Sorry for the length of this, but they are facts which I think you should be aware of. I guess basically. I want to know about the drug, lithium...from what Ideas, it can cause very serious side affects,especially in elderly patients and if you agree that depression and problems with sleep are connected as I read in the Sleep Foundation site. Thank you very much. my email address is YYYY@YYYY . Looking forward to your reply.
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Answered by Dr. Dr. Chintan Solanki (41 minutes later)
Brief Answer:
lithiu is good for resistant depression, thyroid monitoring necessary

Detailed Answer:
Hello XXXXXXX

Thanks for writing to us and good information.I read your query and understood your concern.

You have been on anti depressant since long. 30 years of depression is very long. Yes you are right that lithium is used in bipolar depression. (Depakote is also used in bipolar.)However it is also used in depression when other drugs are not so much effective. That is why your doctor has probably add the same.

Lithium has very low therapeutic index.It means there shout be a range in which serum level of the lithium should be maintained in body. If below the level it is not effective and if more than that level it causes side effects.
It should be used with caution in elderly and patients with thyroid problem.Hypothyroid is common side effect.You already have sub clinical hypothyroidism means in your case thyroid monitoring must be done regularly.
Lithium can cause nausea, diarrhea, dizziness, muscle weakness, fatigue, and a dazed feeling. These unwanted side effects often improve with continued use. Fine tremor, frequent urination, and thirst can occur and may persist with continued use. Weight gain and swelling from excess fluid can also occur. Lithium can also cause or make skin disorders such as acne, psoriasis, and rashes worse. The amount of lithium in the body must be carefully controlled and is checked by blood tests to prevent side effects.
From available history if you have been given all anti depressant medicines and no improvement, lithium can be a good option with some risk and under doctor's supervision.

Yes depression and insomnia are strongly associated. Insomnia is one of the criteria for depression.You are already on klonopin 0.5 mg and belsomra 15 for sleep disturbance.
In my opinion klonopin dose can be increased if you are not improving with 0.5 mg as form history I do not think that you have significant sleep apnea.

And yes always follow 'Sleep Hygiene' (sleep measures to improve sleep). You might be aware of the same and you can find the same with following link:
http://sleepfoundation.org/ask-the-expert/sleep-hygiene

Hope I have answered your query,I will be happy to help further.
Regards,
Dr.Chintan Solanki.

Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Dr. Chintan Solanki (1 hour later)
Dear Dr. Solanki, Thank you for you're prompt reply. I agree that I should be on a higher dose of Klonopin, however,my new doctor lowered my dose because he told me the higher dose is not good for my COPD, yet I was taking 1 mg. 3 x's a day for years with no problem. I now get terrible anxiety with the lower dose, plus I strongly believe that the Klonopin does not seem to help me even at the higher dose anymore. My system seems to get amune to drugs after being on them for a long period. I also thought that Depakote was also used for depression, not only for bipolar of which I do not agree that I have...my family also disagrees that I am bipolar...this is another reason I'm Leary on taking it...as with Depakote, it can cause parkinsonism which I fear. I failed to tell you that I also have CLL since 36 years of age. I was observed at Memorial XXXXXXX hKettering hospital in NY for 6 years and I still run a high WBC to this day. I read in the drug book that lithium can cause leukocytosis which is a high concern of mine. As I told you, I still have insomnia taking 300 mg. Of lithium (for only 6 days now), 15 mg. of Belsomra, OTC Unison & 0.5 mg. Of Klonopin. Are you able to tell me how long it will be at a therapudic level...hopefully the insomnia will leave me so that I can get on with my life. I don't think that I could live much longer with the insomnia after having it for a little over a year now. It is also affecting my 82 yr. old husband as he has to do everything...I only manage paying bills which he was never good at. I feel so bad for him. Thank you for you're reply...looking forward to your reply to this email. As you can tell, I am extremely anxious to recover and get back to my life.
Regards, XXXX

P.S. Don't you think that my psychiatrist should try a SSRI antidepressant before he put me on lithium? If yes, which would you recommend?
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Answered by Dr. Dr. Chintan Solanki (1 hour later)
Brief Answer:
yes lithium can cause leucocytosis, SSRI is first choice

Detailed Answer:
Hi XXXXXXX

Thanks for follow up and some clarification about CLL and bipolar.

It is told that patients with COPD should not be given much dose of benzodiazepine like klonopin. But in clinical practice I have never seen significant worsening of respiratory problem with klonopin. Klonoin can cause tolerance after chronic use. But my opinion is that you can be given up to 2 mg dose of klonopin at night for sometime if effective for sleep.

If you are not bipolar of course depakote has no role in my opinion. But yes lithium is indicated in unipolar depression also if SSRI fails to treat.

You are absolutely right that lithium can cause lecocytosis but it is always almost reversible. But considering history of CLL we should be cautious in your case.

You did not mention that you have not been given SSRI. Otherwise it is first choice in unipolar depression(In bipolar depression use of SSRI should be with some mood stabilizer like depakote or lithium otherwise it can precipitate episode of mania).
Therapeutic level of lithium is reached in 7-10 days.But lithium is not all going to help in sleep directly.

Hypothyroidism, CCL and old age are the factors not in favor of use of lithium in your case til other options are there.

Yes SSRI must be given if there is unipolar depression instead of lithium.
I would suggest Sertraline (zoloft) or Mirtazapine(remeron)in your case. These are antidepressants with some sedation property which can help in insomnia also.

Hope this answer is helpful. Feel free to discuss further.

take care.
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Suggest Treatment For Insomnia When On Lithium

Brief Answer: lithiu is good for resistant depression, thyroid monitoring necessary Detailed Answer: Hello XXXXXXX Thanks for writing to us and good information.I read your query and understood your concern. You have been on anti depressant since long. 30 years of depression is very long. Yes you are right that lithium is used in bipolar depression. (Depakote is also used in bipolar.)However it is also used in depression when other drugs are not so much effective. That is why your doctor has probably add the same. Lithium has very low therapeutic index.It means there shout be a range in which serum level of the lithium should be maintained in body. If below the level it is not effective and if more than that level it causes side effects. It should be used with caution in elderly and patients with thyroid problem.Hypothyroid is common side effect.You already have sub clinical hypothyroidism means in your case thyroid monitoring must be done regularly. Lithium can cause nausea, diarrhea, dizziness, muscle weakness, fatigue, and a dazed feeling. These unwanted side effects often improve with continued use. Fine tremor, frequent urination, and thirst can occur and may persist with continued use. Weight gain and swelling from excess fluid can also occur. Lithium can also cause or make skin disorders such as acne, psoriasis, and rashes worse. The amount of lithium in the body must be carefully controlled and is checked by blood tests to prevent side effects. From available history if you have been given all anti depressant medicines and no improvement, lithium can be a good option with some risk and under doctor's supervision. Yes depression and insomnia are strongly associated. Insomnia is one of the criteria for depression.You are already on klonopin 0.5 mg and belsomra 15 for sleep disturbance. In my opinion klonopin dose can be increased if you are not improving with 0.5 mg as form history I do not think that you have significant sleep apnea. And yes always follow 'Sleep Hygiene' (sleep measures to improve sleep). You might be aware of the same and you can find the same with following link: http://sleepfoundation.org/ask-the-expert/sleep-hygiene Hope I have answered your query,I will be happy to help further. Regards, Dr.Chintan Solanki.