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Posted on Thu, 3 Nov 2016
Question: 3 years ago I suffered what they termed sepsis with septic shock with no known cause. As a result I had numbness in the tip of one thumb and on my right forearm. My family doctor ordered tests which revealed a B6 level of 75. Before we could discuss that, I was again stricken with the same symptoms, but did not suffer shock, and this different hospital called it SIRS with no identifiable cause. Following that incident, I had significant muscle weakness in right thumb and left forearm, as well as numbness in my left thumb, left forearm and right and left lower legs, all of which was confirmed by nerve conduction tests. Thought my glucose levels have always tested in the normal range (except when hospitalized, and then I was given insulin for high levels) I occasionally suffer from symptoms commensurate with low glycemic levels--sudden light headedness, shaking and nausea--which I can stop by eating a pack of cheese crackers (just what my body seemed to be craving); and occasional bouts of extreme tiredness. My neurologist ran tests for a large variety of viral and immune conditions, all of which were negative. No doctor has since tested my B6 levels (hate to admit that I just read the original report of high B6 levels a couple days ago). It has been 3 years since my last 'episode' and the numbness persists. Am I possibly suffering from B6 toxicity?
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Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (3 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Pyridoxine TOXICITY is unlikely

Detailed Answer:
Thank you for your question regarding B6 toxicity and whether or not your symptoms of numbness in the tip of 1 thumb and right forearm. Without taking much else of your presentation into consideration I would comment that such a specific and FOCAL collection of symptoms of numbness which have persisted for several years without much change would be very unlikely to represent a metabolic syndrome such as PYRIDOXINE TOXICITY. I agree that the serum value of 75 is elevated over what is considered to be the upper limit of normal which is 50, however, in the whole scheme of things 75 is not considered either what most would consider TOXIC in an individual. Since B6 toxicity is generally not known to occur in the overindulgence of foodstuffs that contain the water soluble B vitamin the lion's share of toxicity in people come from taking actual supplements. And most people who are supplementing themselves to levels of toxicity are likely doing so with doses that are more than 100mg. daily....some perhaps up to 500mg. daily although there are studies to show that even up to 500mg. daily is still not enough in some individuals to cause flagrant and obvious symptoms of toxicity. The daily recommended amount of pyridoxine through dietary or even supplements is 2 mg./day. The upper level of what is considered ENTIRELY SAFE....even in children is 100 mg./day and as I just indicated above there are even safety studies showing that up to 500mg. in some individuals still does not cause toxic symptoms. Again, your level of 75 is elevated but if you are clearly not taking supplements and I'm assuming you would've said something in your introductory comments.

There is a condition that can cause elevated pyridoxine levels in serum called hypophastasia which is a bone and skeletal disorder. I highly doubt you have this disorder because it is usually picked up much earlier in life...nonetheless, if you wanted to talk to your doctor about doing a serum alkaline phosphatase which has markedly REDUCED activity while URINE PHOSPHOETHANOLAMINE is markedly increased then, you could possibly get an idea whether there were any chance you could have this disorder. Again, my bet is you don't have this problem.

Bottom line with your presentation and your numbers would be this....if I were in your position, I would clearly repeat the serum B6 levels.....I wouldn't get terribly excited about the symptoms you're having as related to ANY FORM of pyridoxal toxicity because it simply wouldn't be that restricted for such a long period of time without being treated....

If the B6 levels are now normal then, likely there was a laboratory error or something you ate, or some medication you took at the time of the former level caused a falsely elevated reading, etc.

I'd look for other causes of your symptoms. If a NCV was done was the NEEDLE part of the exam performed? EMG's consist of nerve conduction AND needle studies.

If I've adequately answered your questions could you do me a huge favor by CLOSING THE QUERY and being sure to include some fine words of feedback along with a 5 STAR rating if you feel my answers/suggestions have helped? Again, many thanks for posing your questions and please let me know how things turn out.

Do not forget to contact me in the future at: www.bit.ly/drdariushsaghafi for additional questions, comments, or concerns having to do with this topic or others.

This query has utilized a total of 42 minutes of professional time in research, review, and synthesis for the purpose of formulating a return statement.
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Suggest Treatment For Muscle Weakness In The Right Thumb

Brief Answer: Pyridoxine TOXICITY is unlikely Detailed Answer: Thank you for your question regarding B6 toxicity and whether or not your symptoms of numbness in the tip of 1 thumb and right forearm. Without taking much else of your presentation into consideration I would comment that such a specific and FOCAL collection of symptoms of numbness which have persisted for several years without much change would be very unlikely to represent a metabolic syndrome such as PYRIDOXINE TOXICITY. I agree that the serum value of 75 is elevated over what is considered to be the upper limit of normal which is 50, however, in the whole scheme of things 75 is not considered either what most would consider TOXIC in an individual. Since B6 toxicity is generally not known to occur in the overindulgence of foodstuffs that contain the water soluble B vitamin the lion's share of toxicity in people come from taking actual supplements. And most people who are supplementing themselves to levels of toxicity are likely doing so with doses that are more than 100mg. daily....some perhaps up to 500mg. daily although there are studies to show that even up to 500mg. daily is still not enough in some individuals to cause flagrant and obvious symptoms of toxicity. The daily recommended amount of pyridoxine through dietary or even supplements is 2 mg./day. The upper level of what is considered ENTIRELY SAFE....even in children is 100 mg./day and as I just indicated above there are even safety studies showing that up to 500mg. in some individuals still does not cause toxic symptoms. Again, your level of 75 is elevated but if you are clearly not taking supplements and I'm assuming you would've said something in your introductory comments. There is a condition that can cause elevated pyridoxine levels in serum called hypophastasia which is a bone and skeletal disorder. I highly doubt you have this disorder because it is usually picked up much earlier in life...nonetheless, if you wanted to talk to your doctor about doing a serum alkaline phosphatase which has markedly REDUCED activity while URINE PHOSPHOETHANOLAMINE is markedly increased then, you could possibly get an idea whether there were any chance you could have this disorder. Again, my bet is you don't have this problem. Bottom line with your presentation and your numbers would be this....if I were in your position, I would clearly repeat the serum B6 levels.....I wouldn't get terribly excited about the symptoms you're having as related to ANY FORM of pyridoxal toxicity because it simply wouldn't be that restricted for such a long period of time without being treated.... If the B6 levels are now normal then, likely there was a laboratory error or something you ate, or some medication you took at the time of the former level caused a falsely elevated reading, etc. I'd look for other causes of your symptoms. If a NCV was done was the NEEDLE part of the exam performed? EMG's consist of nerve conduction AND needle studies. If I've adequately answered your questions could you do me a huge favor by CLOSING THE QUERY and being sure to include some fine words of feedback along with a 5 STAR rating if you feel my answers/suggestions have helped? Again, many thanks for posing your questions and please let me know how things turn out. Do not forget to contact me in the future at: www.bit.ly/drdariushsaghafi for additional questions, comments, or concerns having to do with this topic or others. This query has utilized a total of 42 minutes of professional time in research, review, and synthesis for the purpose of formulating a return statement.