
Suggest Treatment For Severe Insomnia While On Benedryl And Ativan



Stimulant can be tried, provide more details
Detailed Answer:
Hello,
Thanks for writing to us. I can understand your concern.
Insomnia for 10 years is very significant. There are lots of medications options are available.
Considering your history of worsening of insomnia with some medicines I would sure like to start stimulant if I were your treating doctor.
- Please let me know which medicines you have tried until now and in which dose?
- How many hours a day you get sleep?
- What type of sleep disturbance do you have - difficutly in onset, fragmentation of sleep or early awakening?
- Have you tried 'Sleep Hygiene'?
- Do you have any stress or any physical or psychological illness?
- Have you undergone sleep study?
I will be happy to help further after your response.
Regards,
Dr Chintan Solanki.


-- I tried Ambien, Lunesta, ABH (a combination of ativan, benedryl, and haldol), Klonopin, Xanax, and perhaps XXXXXXX (?). There were others that I cannot remember. I have no idea what the dosages were. Benadryl can either make me sleep or keep me up, so I do not take it for sleep. 10 mg of cyclobenzaprine makes me uncontrollably sleepy, but it is a tense, drugged sleep that is not restful at all, and I wake up feeling even more exhausted. I tried magnesium, valerian, B6, melatonin, and GABA, separately and in combination. The combination kept me up all night and I never slept at all.
-- I sleep anywhere from zero to five hours each night. If I fall asleep during the day out of sheer exhaustion, I actually sleep a little better, but then it is even harder to get to sleep that night.
-- I have all three types of sleep disturbance. Difficult onset, fragmented sleep (sometimes waking every hour), and if I cannot get back to sleep, it is essentially the same as early awakening.
-- I have tried sleep hygiene under the supervision of a sleep specialist, but it did not work. I have tried keeping to a schedule, eliminating caffeine, massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, cranial-sacral therapy, physical therapy, sitting in the dark all evening, hypnosis, ambient music, ambient noise, XXXXXXX sleep recordings, meditation before going to bed, baths, showers, earplugs, blindfolds, fasting three hours or more before bedtime, setting intentions, praying, asking management to deal with noisy neighbors -- you name it. Nothing works. One strange thing of note: my Chinese M.D./Accupuncturist told me that I am one of the one-tenth of one percent of people who are energetically wired backwards, so that acupuncture will not work on us and will actually make us sick. I sometimes wonder whether that is related to my paradoxical reactions.
-- I do have physical illness, pain, and stress from fibromyalgia, psoriatic arthritis, migraines, the resulting disability, and the severe financial stress that comes from not being able to work. Other than suppressed anxiety (with not much conscious worrying), I have no psychological illness. I suspect that anxiety may be at the root of my sleep problem but have no idea what to do about it. I tried years of therapy without any sleep improvement. Xanax helps me fall asleep, but gives me amnesia and adds to my chemo brain and fibro fog. I recently tried EFT, and it does seem to relieve the anxiety somewhat.
-- I have undergone three sleep studies. I had the first sleep study in 2003 because even though I slept eight hours a night straight through with no interruptions, I awoke as tired as when I went to bed. The first study showed sleep apnea (holding the breath for forty seconds and breathing for twenty seconds, almost every minute, almost all night long). I failed CPAP, had a UPPP in 2004, got significant relief, and felt great.
Then, in late 2005, prednisone prescribed during cancer treatment disrupted my sleep pattern. I was wired and slept very little. I worked with a psychopharmacologist who tried everything she could, but every sleep medication wired me even more and I couldn't sleep at all. She even had me try a combination of ativan, benedryl, and haldol (ABH), with the same results. I had a second sleep study in 2006 and they found nothing wrong except that I only slept four hours and got almost no XXXXXXX sleep. The sleep specialist did not know why and had no helpful answers. I gave up at that point, but over time, I started getting five to six hours of sleep each night, although it was never restful. I got fibromyalgia suddenly a year later (after an infusion of IVig) and the doctors had no explanation as to why.
A few years after that (probably around 2012), my rheumatologist prescribed prednisone again, this time for psoriatic arthritis that had become severe and added to my disability. After nine months, I had built up to 20 mg of methotrexate and the doctor weaned me off of the prednisone. I have since cut down to 10 mg of methotrexate once a week and I control the arthritis primarily through diet. Needless to say, I hardly slept at all for those nine months and I never regulated my sleep again after that. I had the third sleep study that showed almost the same result as the second: four hours of sleep with one interruption, and only five minutes of XXXXXXX sleep. Again, the doctor could not tell me why. He suggested better sleep hygiene. I followed his suggestions carefully and with discipline, but they did not work.
Thank you for your time and patience. I look forward to your response and any suggestions you might have.
K

Mirtazapine, Amitriptyline and Quetiaine are remaining options
Detailed Answer:
Hello Dear,
Sorry for delayed response. Thanks for excellent information. Your case is really different and interesting.
Your insomnia is likely secondary due to physical problems you has in past as well as due to fibromylagia. Anxiety, secondary to all these problems in turn is affecting sleep also.
From history I think there are few drugs which might have not been given to you can be tried. Mirtazapine (remeron), Amitriptyline (elavil) and quetiapine (seroquel/) are the remaining options for sleep as well as fibromyalgia and anxiety. You can discuss with your treating doctor about them and can start one or more of them.
Considering history only thyroid check up level shod be done form endocrine system.
Feel free to discuss further.


Thank you for your time, attention, and advice. After being awake for nearly 48 hours I finally crashed and slept most of the day yesterday. I was also very distracted by recent news events. I apologize for taking so long to get back to you.
Your reply was very informative. I have never taken Mirtazapine before, so that suggestion is definitely worth trying. Your response reminded me that I have tried amitriptyline (Elavil) and quetiapine (Seroquel) at very low doses before. They might be worth revisiting. Would you recommend full or low dosing this time around?
I have had thyroid levels checked in the past (but no other hormones that I can remember). The levels were "low normal." My family physician suggested we try natural thyroid and it seemed to help, but then it stopped being available. I did not do well on synthetic hormone (racing heart) and stopped the treatment. I will ask to be tested again if natural T4 has become available again.
Thank you,
K
start with low dose
Detailed Answer:
Hi,
Thanks for follow up. It is never late.
Any medication should be started with low dose. If multiple drugs are used, dose should be adjusted accordingly.
You can go for Thyroid profile check up (T3, T4, TSH) to review current status of your hormones.
Take care.

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