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What Causes Back Pain While Having GERD?

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Posted on Mon, 29 May 2017
Question: I will try to be brief as possible, but I want to include everything in case it is relevant. Up to last XXXXXXX I was a healthy 35 y/o male, 6’2” 195 lbs, active outdoors and do cardio at least 5 days a week. Five years prior, when I was less active and 20 lbs heavier I was found to have mild high blood pressure and so continued to take 5mg Lisinopril. Other than that, no health issues other than an occasional tension headache. Pretty healthy diet, mostly fruits, vegetables, meats, nuts; few grains and dairy. A glass of wine or a beer once or twice a month. Also take a multivitamin and probiotic (Florastor).

In XXXXXXX 2016 I started noticing an intermittent burning sensation in my throat and nasal passages, random times, but not worse when sleeping or exercising, etc. GERD crossed my mind, but I had actually suffered with that in college (and had to take Prilosec for a while), but this was nothing like that. No indigestion or regurgitation-just a burning sensation. It wasn’t really painful but more annoying and so I reluctantly started taking OTC Prevacid. It seemed to have a minimal impact at best and so after two weeks I made an appt with my doctor. He thought maybe it was LPR and prescribed 40mg Protonix. Again, this had minimal impact and so after two weeks it was bumped to twice a day. At this point my symptoms were mostly, though not completely gone. In mid July I was referred to a gastroenterologist for an upper GI scope which was normal. Since everything was normal I spent the next several months trying to change my diet, eliminate spicy and caffeinated items and step down the medicine. For the most part an OTC PPI would manage symptoms, though never completely get rid of the burning sensation. I even tried no PPIs and just used Tums or Zantac when needed. With this method, symptoms were a bit worse, but not mcuh. During this time blood tests were all normal – CBC, CMP, CRP, Hpylori (negative). The gastro also had me try Trazadone, which I used for 3 weeks with basically no effect.

Around mid November 2016, still dealing with the above as noted, I started also having cramping/aching in my mid back, just to the left of the spine, just below the bottom rib. This wrapped around my bottom rib to my side and often felt like a side stitch you get when running. Occasionally the cramping/tightness would also feel like it went through to my abdomen. This came out of the blue, no injury and was pretty constant. Exertion did not make it worse. I went to my doctor and tried meds for IBS (antispasmodic) and Aleve for the aching. Neither really helped much and so he ordered an ultrasound. This was normal. By late December I was still complaining, again typically more uncomfortable than painful, my doctor ordered a CT with contrast. The only finding was some enlarged mesenteric lymph nodes on the left (up to 9mm). My doctor said nothing showed up that should be causing my symptoms. After another month of constant symptoms he referred me to an orthopedic who did some PT and ordered an MRI of the thoracic spine. While this did find a bulging disc, it found nothing in the area of my complaints. I followed up with the gastro in April and due to ongoing symptoms which now included some nausea. This was the first time he learned of the CT and ordered a repeat test, this time with pelvis. Again, the same findings of mildly enlarged left mesenteric lymph nodes.

The doctors don’t seem to know what else to do, but I hate to accept the fact that I will just have to live like this forever. I also feel like there must be something going on if the lymph nodes are enlarged. The cramping/aching in my back is worse some days than others. Some days it feels like a tightness/burning right on the vertebrae. Other times it is to the side and wraps around my side. Often it is worse when I wake up in the morning, sort of an achy/tightness in the back or back/side. The reason I explained the GERD was because there have now been some times when I am not taking any meds where I get more typical GERD burning that feels like it connects to the pain in my back. I have also noticed some hard smooth lumps under the skin in the part of my back that hurts (which may not be related at all). They are not painful to touch and not growing in size. A dermatologist looked at them but could not identify. Blood tests continue to be normal.

-Please let me know if you have any other suggestions as to possible cause.
-Is it possibly that it could be some sort of chronic parasitic infection?
-Could the lumps indicate some sort of growth or fatty deposit that is causing symptoms?
-Are there any sort of ligament disorders that could be the cause?
-Please let me know if there is any other testing that you would recommend.
-Lastly, is there any further treatment that I should try?
doctor
Answered by Dr. Ramesh Kumar (10 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Most likely back pain is due to improperly treated GERD.

Detailed Answer:
Hello Dear,
Thank you for choosing HealthcareMagic for your query.
I am Dr Kumar a Gastroenterologist and would be answering all your queries.

Have gone through your details and i appreciate your concerns.

Firstly before answering your questions i would like to give you a briefing about your problem this will help you understand things better.

As acid is refluxed back into esophagus(a tube which connects stomach to mouth) the lining of esophagus termed as mucosal layer is severely irritated.This irritation causes inflammation of the particular area and this inflammation of underlying mucosa is responsible for a feeling of discomfort termed medically as Heart burn.
Proton pump inhibitors are just the first line medication for Gastritis and Heartburn.As just pantoprazole is not helping you much i would suggest you to Please request your gastroenterologist to start you on PPI-antacids like Rabeprazole or Esomeprazole. Esomeprazole can be used in the dosage as high as 80 mg twice daily.Trials have shown that esomeprazole is superior to pantoprazole in controlling reflux symptoms. Also, request him/her to add Domperidone 30mg or Levosulpiride(both are prokinetic)slow release once daily. This will slow down the reflux of acid back and would provide symptomatic relief in heartburn you are experiencing.

An antacid containing local anesthetic (Mucaine gel or peptobismol) could be added to the drug regimen.

Acotiamide is another wonderful new drug and is very effective in controlling symptoms of GERD and esophagitis. In trials- Acotiamide, a gastrointestinal motility modulator, at a standard dose of 100mg thrice daily has significantly affected esophageal motor functions or gastroesophageal reflux in healthy adults.

All these drugs can be considered by your gastroenterologist to provide you with symptomatic relief in your problem.

Start taking a probiotic VSL#3 twice daily for proper digestion of food.Indigestion can sometimes lead to dyspepsia.
Apart from medicines follow certain life style changes like-

- Increase XXXXXXX warm water intake.
- Do not drink water during and after meals.
- Eat small meals (rich in fiber), avoid spicy, oily and heavy meals.
- Avoid juices of citrus fruits like oranges.
- Drink COLD milk and AVOID junk food.
- avoid beverages/alcohol/soft drinks
- do some exercise early in the morning
- avoid carbonated drinks
This will definitely help you with your problem of heart burn and gastritis.

Now lets move to your back pain as said by you almost all your investigations are perfectly normal.Long term gastritis causes inflammation of intestinal tract if not properly treated this pain is referred to chest or back.As Every thing from MRI to CT is normal the most likely cause of back pain in your case is gastritis and inflammation caused by it.Gastritis often is associated with formation of gases.These gases increase pressure on abdominal organs and is often felt as pain in back.

Most likely your symptoms are not related to parasite.However to be sure stool microscopic examination should be done for ruling out parasite infestation.
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These lumps are most likely Liopomas. A lipoma is a growth of fat cells in a thin, fibrous capsule usually found just below the skin. Lipoma's aren't cancer and don't turn into cancer.They can be found any where in body and need no treatment.However a Fine needle aspiration test can be done in one of the lipomas to make sure that they are lipomas.

If you don't even respond to all the above mentioned medications then the pain can be muscular or ligamental also but right now what i feel is that this is something related to your GERD.

Right now you have been thoroughly tested so i would just recommend you take medicines i adviced for at least 14 days.No further testings are required right now.

Follow all my suggestions and try it for at least 14 days.In case you don't respond then further investigations would be done to rule out possibilities of chronic pain syndrome etc.

Hope i answered your query well.
In case you need any other details feel free to ask.I would be glad to help.

Regards.



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Follow up: Dr. Ramesh Kumar (13 hours later)
Doctor,

Thank you for your thorough review and extensive answers. You have certainly given me some new treatment ideas to bring up with my doctor. I was curious, if you thought the enlarged mesenteric lymph nodes are incidental or if they could indicate anything.

Also, two symptoms I forgot to mention, though I am not sure they would change your response. First. Over the last few months I have had several instances of my stool being orange or yellow. They were solid and I had no pain, just discolored. This would last a day or two and then return to normal-I don't recall eating lots of carrots or anything that would discolor. The other item relates to my blood tests. Like I said, everything was normal, but on several occasions my ALT was higher than my AST. I have heard that can be indicative of liver issues, but was not sure if the rule applied if both were still in their normal range. Not sure if this changes your opinion, but these were among the reasons I questioned a parasite.

Thanks again,
doctor
Answered by Dr. Ramesh Kumar (7 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Follow up answers.

Detailed Answer:
Hi again Dear,
Answers are-
The lymph nodes are part of the immune system. They help clear infectious and damaged tissue out of an infected area.The lymph nodes that become inflamed are in a membrane that attaches the intestine to the abdominal wall. These lymph nodes are among the hundreds that help your body fight disease. They trap and destroy microscopic "invaders" like viruses or bacteria.Most likely cause of enlargement of Mesentric lymph node is invasion of intestines by bacteria or virus.Mild lympadenopathy bears no significance in your case.However to be on a safer side get a stool routine and microscopt test done.If it does not show any bacterial or parasitic infestation then i don't feell there is any bneed to worry.
Antibiotic therapy for few days could be considered in case stool is postive for infection.

Other test i would suggest is fecal calproctin.Faecal calprotectin is a biochemical measurement of the protein calprotectin in the stool. Elevated faecal calprotectin indicates the migration of neutrophils to the intestinal mucosa, which occurs during intestinal inflammation, including inflammation caused by inflammatory bowel disease.

Discolored stools can be a sign of improper functioning of intestines.Color of stool is given by bile which is secreted by liven and is broken down by intestines.However inflammation in gut will hamper this process hence bile will not be broken properly leading to change in stool color.

Mild changes in level of liver enzymes have no significance atleast 3 times increased value of liver enzymes bear any clinical significance.

Parasitic infestation can be a cuase mild mesentric adenitis.Go for simple test stool routine and microscopy.Things will be clear in a day.
If the test turns out to be normal mesentric adeniti has no significance in your case.Hope i answered your query well.

In case you need furter expaination feel free to question.

Goo luck and Regards.
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What Causes Back Pain While Having GERD?

Brief Answer: Most likely back pain is due to improperly treated GERD. Detailed Answer: Hello Dear, Thank you for choosing HealthcareMagic for your query. I am Dr Kumar a Gastroenterologist and would be answering all your queries. Have gone through your details and i appreciate your concerns. Firstly before answering your questions i would like to give you a briefing about your problem this will help you understand things better. As acid is refluxed back into esophagus(a tube which connects stomach to mouth) the lining of esophagus termed as mucosal layer is severely irritated.This irritation causes inflammation of the particular area and this inflammation of underlying mucosa is responsible for a feeling of discomfort termed medically as Heart burn. Proton pump inhibitors are just the first line medication for Gastritis and Heartburn.As just pantoprazole is not helping you much i would suggest you to Please request your gastroenterologist to start you on PPI-antacids like Rabeprazole or Esomeprazole. Esomeprazole can be used in the dosage as high as 80 mg twice daily.Trials have shown that esomeprazole is superior to pantoprazole in controlling reflux symptoms. Also, request him/her to add Domperidone 30mg or Levosulpiride(both are prokinetic)slow release once daily. This will slow down the reflux of acid back and would provide symptomatic relief in heartburn you are experiencing. An antacid containing local anesthetic (Mucaine gel or peptobismol) could be added to the drug regimen. Acotiamide is another wonderful new drug and is very effective in controlling symptoms of GERD and esophagitis. In trials- Acotiamide, a gastrointestinal motility modulator, at a standard dose of 100mg thrice daily has significantly affected esophageal motor functions or gastroesophageal reflux in healthy adults. All these drugs can be considered by your gastroenterologist to provide you with symptomatic relief in your problem. Start taking a probiotic VSL#3 twice daily for proper digestion of food.Indigestion can sometimes lead to dyspepsia. Apart from medicines follow certain life style changes like- - Increase XXXXXXX warm water intake. - Do not drink water during and after meals. - Eat small meals (rich in fiber), avoid spicy, oily and heavy meals. - Avoid juices of citrus fruits like oranges. - Drink COLD milk and AVOID junk food. - avoid beverages/alcohol/soft drinks - do some exercise early in the morning - avoid carbonated drinks This will definitely help you with your problem of heart burn and gastritis. Now lets move to your back pain as said by you almost all your investigations are perfectly normal.Long term gastritis causes inflammation of intestinal tract if not properly treated this pain is referred to chest or back.As Every thing from MRI to CT is normal the most likely cause of back pain in your case is gastritis and inflammation caused by it.Gastritis often is associated with formation of gases.These gases increase pressure on abdominal organs and is often felt as pain in back. Most likely your symptoms are not related to parasite.However to be sure stool microscopic examination should be done for ruling out parasite infestation. . These lumps are most likely Liopomas. A lipoma is a growth of fat cells in a thin, fibrous capsule usually found just below the skin. Lipoma's aren't cancer and don't turn into cancer.They can be found any where in body and need no treatment.However a Fine needle aspiration test can be done in one of the lipomas to make sure that they are lipomas. If you don't even respond to all the above mentioned medications then the pain can be muscular or ligamental also but right now what i feel is that this is something related to your GERD. Right now you have been thoroughly tested so i would just recommend you take medicines i adviced for at least 14 days.No further testings are required right now. Follow all my suggestions and try it for at least 14 days.In case you don't respond then further investigations would be done to rule out possibilities of chronic pain syndrome etc. Hope i answered your query well. In case you need any other details feel free to ask.I would be glad to help. Regards.