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What Causes Episodes Of Vertigo Along With Seizure And Eyes Rolling?

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Posted on Fri, 15 Jul 2016
Question: my mother, 79, has been having seizure like episodes along with vertigo. she will pass out, sitting and/or standing, and thrash around, eyes roll in the back of her head, unresponsive for up to 5 seconds. she will be unaware of what happened. MRI, EEG, Catscan, has come back normal. she did fall and hit her head twice on each side of the head in the back about a month and a half ago, these episodes have occurred since then. she was dizzy prior to falls but no episodes like this. she has been to an ENT and referred to a PT to look for misplaced crystals ..results were negative for misplaced crystals. any suggestions or dx would be great.
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Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (2 hours later)
Brief Answer:
How about checking her for orthostatic hypotension

Detailed Answer:
Top of the evening to you though I understand that may be a relative sort of wish given your concern for your mother. Let me first that in my opinion....NOTHING should be taken off the table as a possibility despite some of these tests that "don't show anything".....In other words, without knowing more about the EEG I might say that the EEG should be repeated....If it was just a 1 time standard 20 or 22 minute study then, the sensitivity of picking up a seizure disorder is only 30-40%. So, when I send patients for EEG's (if I'm really thinking seizure disorder) then, I'm sending that patient BACK for a repeat study with some additional parameters...such as PROLONGED 60 min. with sleep deprivation. Or..if episodes are frequent enough I might even consider hospitalizing the patient and doing a 3-5 day video EEG monitoring stay. If on the other hand we listen to your history and note that she only loses awareness for a brief number of seconds before coming back to normal and she has SEIZURE LIKE MOVEMENTS then, she may not have seizures at all...and may be suffering instead from a condition known as CONVULSIVE SYNCOPE. This can be diagnosed easily when patients are fulminantly low in volume and an AMINOFF ORTHOSTATIC BP pressure protocol is applied. If the patient is only mildly low in fluids then, it may be necessary to go to a TILT TABLE TEST to pick up the orthostasis.....

If your mom is on medications that can lower blood pressure...especially if she's on multiple drugs that can lower blood pressure...either by first intention or as a side effect then, you've just identified the most common risk factor in elderly patients who suffer from orthostatic hypotension as well as CONVULSIVE SYNCOPE. If they readjust medications and bring her volumes up if she's at all dehydrated the problems usually resolves itself in a few days.

These are just a few initial thoughts on a little bit of information. All the best to you and your mother!

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This query has utilized a total of 60 minutes of professional time in research, review, and synthesis for the purpose of formulating a return statement.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Dariush Saghafi (1 hour later)
Thank you for your response and suggestions of possible diagnosis. I came across convulsive syncope on my research as well as a few other things. I will be sure to ask her doctor to retest on EEG. Thanks again!
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Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (1 hour later)
Brief Answer:
Best Medical School Listen Anybody can learn: COMMON THINGS ARE COMMON

Detailed Answer:
The corollary to that statement would be......

THINGS THAT HAPPEN....ARE USUALLY COMMON--- So, my first move would be to do the Aminoff Modified Orthostatics. If that is definitely negative....and if revamping her list of medications to eliminate or reduce all UNNECESSARY MEDICATIONS as well as make sure she doesn't have more than 1-2 blood pressure meds then, I might go to a prolonged 60 min. EEG.

Once again, many thanks for your questions and if there are no further questions or comments would you do me the great favor of CLOSING THIS QUERY and be sure to include some feedback on our transaction? If you have any comments or are interested in potentially considering a visit to XXXXXXX OH for a workup feel free to let me know at your convenience and we can work to set that up.

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Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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What Causes Episodes Of Vertigo Along With Seizure And Eyes Rolling?

Brief Answer: How about checking her for orthostatic hypotension Detailed Answer: Top of the evening to you though I understand that may be a relative sort of wish given your concern for your mother. Let me first that in my opinion....NOTHING should be taken off the table as a possibility despite some of these tests that "don't show anything".....In other words, without knowing more about the EEG I might say that the EEG should be repeated....If it was just a 1 time standard 20 or 22 minute study then, the sensitivity of picking up a seizure disorder is only 30-40%. So, when I send patients for EEG's (if I'm really thinking seizure disorder) then, I'm sending that patient BACK for a repeat study with some additional parameters...such as PROLONGED 60 min. with sleep deprivation. Or..if episodes are frequent enough I might even consider hospitalizing the patient and doing a 3-5 day video EEG monitoring stay. If on the other hand we listen to your history and note that she only loses awareness for a brief number of seconds before coming back to normal and she has SEIZURE LIKE MOVEMENTS then, she may not have seizures at all...and may be suffering instead from a condition known as CONVULSIVE SYNCOPE. This can be diagnosed easily when patients are fulminantly low in volume and an AMINOFF ORTHOSTATIC BP pressure protocol is applied. If the patient is only mildly low in fluids then, it may be necessary to go to a TILT TABLE TEST to pick up the orthostasis..... If your mom is on medications that can lower blood pressure...especially if she's on multiple drugs that can lower blood pressure...either by first intention or as a side effect then, you've just identified the most common risk factor in elderly patients who suffer from orthostatic hypotension as well as CONVULSIVE SYNCOPE. If they readjust medications and bring her volumes up if she's at all dehydrated the problems usually resolves itself in a few days. These are just a few initial thoughts on a little bit of information. All the best to you and your mother! If I've satisfactorily addressed your question could you do me the kindest of favors by CLOSING THIS QUERY and be sure to include some fine words of feedback on your opinion as to our transaction? If you have any comments or are interested in potentially considering a visit to XXXXXXX OH for a workup feel free to let me know at your convenience and we can work to set that up. Again, many thanks for posing your question to our attention on this network and do not forget to recontact me in the future at: www.bit.ly/drdariushsaghafi for additional questions, comments, or concerns having to do with this topic or others. This query has utilized a total of 60 minutes of professional time in research, review, and synthesis for the purpose of formulating a return statement.