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Posted on Tue, 26 Apr 2016
Question: Hello Sir/Madam,
My mother who is 75 years old, has been diagnosed with these issues:
1. COPD - diagnosed since past 11 years
2. Cor Pulmonale (both left and right atrium grossly dilated, Aortic valve sclerotic, Mitral inflow suggestive elevated left ventricular end-diastolic pressure, moderate PAH+, atrial fibrillation with uncontrolled ventricular rate) - diagnosed since 1 year
3. Diabetes - Glucose random 285, diagnosed since 1 month
4. High Cholestral - diagnosed since 2 years
5. Intermittently Short term memory loss - started only 15 days ago, there is some brain shrinkage noticed in CT scan. Psychiatrist said it is too early to call it dementia and also she has issues with multiple organs and considering her age, psychiatric medication can not be added.

Currently see is on following medication:
1. Cap Pentocid DSR 40mg 1-0-0 before food
2. Tab Tadalafil 100mg 0-1-0
3. Tab Dilzem CD 120mg 0-1-0
4. Tab Warf 3mg 0-1-0
5. Tab Glycomet 0-0-1
6. Nebulizer Duolin (8am and 8pm) and Budecort 1mg (2pm) - earlier she used to take Budamate 200 Transcaps(1-0-1) and Tiova 18mg Rotacaps(0-1-0), but she is no longer capable to take these.

We have consulted best possible pulmonologist and cardiologist in XXXXXXX They said, there is not much that can be done. Now she is gone back to my native village in UP.

I am attaching following test reports
1. 2D Echo of Heart
2. ECG reports
3. Now, she is no longer able to blow in the PFT machine, so no report.
4. Her chest xray showed some fluid. We don't have report, had only film.

There was swelling in her legs also, Tab Dytor was given for a weak and stopped now.

Question - Assuming that there is not much that can be done to cure her ailments or increase longevity, we are very much worried with the pains she gets. Once in few days she gets severe pain in chest and head. It is too much for her to bear the pain and also we feel so much helpless to see that. Please suggest some medication/approach to reduce this pain in chest and head. It can be some SOS medication or regular medication. Do you think anything else can be done for her lungs or heart issues?
A humble request to please weigh both benefit and side effect of any medicine before prescribing. Please don't prescribe medicine only because I am asking for one, prescribe it only if absolutely needed.
I want to consult a very XXXXXXX cardiologist and/or Pulmonologist. Diabetes is not the main concern.
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Answered by Dr. Drkaushal85 (1 hour later)
Brief Answer:
Give her long term oxygen therapy.

Detailed Answer:
Thanks for your question on Health Care Magic.
I can understand your concern.
Basic pathology in her is hypoxia.
And in end stage disease, long term oxygen therapy (LTOT) is the best treatment.
Daily 16-18 hours of oxygen is beneficial in symptomatic control.
This also improves life expectancy.
Another drug is picnovit (pine bark extract).
It is newer Pulmonary antioxidant. It is having excellent role in chronic Pulmonary diseases. It prevents remodeling of pulmonary tissue.
One more advice about current medicine. She should increase duolin to four times a day. Duolin is having levosalbutamol and ipratromium. Both are having action last for 3-4 hours. So ideal dose is four times a day.
Hope I have solved your query. I will be happy to help you further. Wishing good health to your wife. Thanks.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Drkaushal85 (7 hours later)
Thanks Dr XXXXXXX Few things are not very clear to me. Please clarify:
1. Is picnovit substitute for any existing medicine or in addition to current medicines?
2. How many mg and how many times, morning/evening picnovit is suggested for her?
3. Any known side effects of picnovit ?
4. 16-18 hours per day on oxygen? How is that possible?
a. Does that mean she has to be on oxygen during her entire sleep + most of the time while awake as well?
b. Will it not make her completely bedridden like an ICU patient?
c. She can't even take 15 mins of nebulizer (she removes few times and asks to stop complaining pain in nostrils). When she was admitted in hospital, she used to remove oxygen mask after some time. So how comfortable will it be for her to be on oxygen for 16-18 hours?
d. 4 times of nebulization and 16-18 hours of oxygen, will it not turn her lungs completely into dormant/passive mode and weaker?
e. What is the recommended doses of oxygen for her?
f. Will it not have any adverse effect for being on pure oxygen for such a long period compared to 20.9% oxygen normally?
5. When I checked online I see various options like Compressed oxygen cylinder, Liquid Oxygen Cylinder, Oxygen Concentrator. Choice is not very easy to make. She is not going to travel much and also we want to first try something for a month before spending big amount like 40K for concentrator. I need your help in deciding this.
6. Will it be like a mask on her face always? Can she talk/eat while on oxygen? Can you please share a picture of someone on oxygen therapy.
Thanks a lot,
XXXX
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Answered by Dr. Drkaushal85 (14 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Here are your answers.

Detailed Answer:
Thanks for your follow up question on Health Care Magic.
I can understand your concern.. Here are your answers.

Answer to your 1st question.

Picnovit is not substitute for any of the existing drugs. It is additional drug.

Answer to your 2nd question.

Picnovit should be taken 1 tablet (50 micrograms) twice daily.

Answer to your 3 rd question.

No side effects of Picnovit. It is natural remedy.

Answer to your 4th question.

Yes, LTOT (long term oxygen therapy) is 16-18 hours a day. This includes oxygen at night during sleep and 8 hours during day time. No need to stay at bed all the time. When she is resting during day time, she should take oxygen. Better to give oxygen through nasal pronge. In this tiny tubing is attached to nose. Whole face and mouth are not covered. Oxygen will not make her lungs dormant. It will give needed oxygen to the body.
Oxygen should be given in the dose of 1-2 lit /min. This will not cause any side effects.

Answer to your 5th question.

Best is oxygen concentrator. It is available on monthly rent for the starting period. Once patient is comfortable with it, you can buy it.

Answer to your 6th question.

No, it is not always mask on her face. Nasal pronge is very convenient for the patient.
She can eat, drink with nasal pronge. She can also take nebulization simultaneously.

Hope I have solved your query. I will be happy to help you further. Wishing good health to your mother. Thanks.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Drkaushal85 (48 hours later)
1. We couldn't find pincovit in city medical stores. He will get it in few days. I am assuming it is for long term benefit and it will not give any immediate quick relief. If it can give immediate relief, please let me know and we can try going to bigger city to get it.

2. We got nidek oxygen concentrator yesterday. My mother is not comfortable to take oxygen more than 0.25 LPM which is very low dose. If we increase more than this, she complains of mouth dryness and gasping for air sound from mouth. We gave oxygen from 4pm to 10.30pm at 0.25LPM and at 10.30pm she removed oxygen to go to restroom, after returning from restroom, she complained of severe dyspnoea (very fast breating), chest and head pain. we again started oxygen at 10.35pm and gave it whole night till 6am. We tried various oxygen level from 0.125 to 2 LPA, but nothing helped. We gave Abphylline, Omnacortil, nebulizer but nothing helped. Whole night was very difficult for her, none of us slept, she was asking death from God. There was a power cut in the morning 6am, so oxygen stopped. After 1 hour she started feeling better and from 8am without oxygen, she became alright, no breathlessness, no pain in head and chest. She had food, medicine everything.
This may be just a coincidence but we are thinking that she was worse with oxygen. We should note that she has become better in the morning after a worse night at few occasions before as well.
Questions:
a. Is dose as low as 0.25LPM helpful for her?
b. Due to power cut if we are able to give oxygen only for 10 hours, is that helpful?
c. We have currently stopped oxygen and will continue only when you say that the night time problem was not due to this.
d. We don't have an oximeter at village but whenever doctor measured her oxygen level using pulse oximeter, it came above 95%. even her artiory gas level was normal. Do we really need to buy pulse oximeter? I mean if we are administering oxygen at wrong level and we need to measure and adjust.
e. Some google search has given us these 2 links which talks about rare but harmful effect of oxygen therapy in COPD patients:
http://www.breathingbetterlivingwell.com/basics/oxygenqa.php - Please see point 6. Can too much oxygen hurt me?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_oxygen_on_chronic_obstructive_pulmonary_disease - It talks about oxygen toxicity are due to high carbon dioxide content in the blood
How to rule out that this is not the case in my mother's case?
f. When she is in prolonged breathlessness and chest and head pain, it is very difficult situation, no medicine works that time. Can you please suggest any medicine which can help in that situation? It can even be any sedative, psychiatric medication. I read somewhere that in US patients use opioids, narcotic pain reliever etc. Please suggest some quick relief method that time. http://www.rtmagazine.com/2009/02/give-them-comfort-controlling-copd-symptoms-at-the-end-of-life/

Appreciate a quick reply. I will be consulting you further,
doctor
Answered by Dr. Drkaushal85 (2 hours later)
Brief Answer:
You can give tramadol.

Detailed Answer:
Thanks for your follow up question on HCM.
I can understand your concern.

Answer to your 1st question.

Picnovit will not cause immediate relief. It is having chronic benefit. So you can give her after its availability.

Answer to your 2nd question.

Dose of oxygen should be according to SpO2 level. If she is having oxygen level of above 95% then 0. 25 is sufficient for her. And better to give low dose oxygen at night (0.25). No harm in it. You can stop if she is uncomfortable.
Yes,you should definitely buy oximeter to check her SpO2 regularly.
Oxygen can cause depression in respiratory drive in COPD patients. And for this you need to get done ABG analysis during symptoms. If ABG is showing high PCO2 then oxygen should be stopped.
You can give her tramadol (Opioid) for symptomatic relief. Don't give sedative drugs.
So please let me know
1. How much was her PCO2 level in last ABG report?
2. Had she ever undergone sodium level? Chronic diuretic use can cause low sodium level and similar symptoms.

Please reply me answers of above asked questions so that I can guide you better. Wishing good health to your mother. Thanks.




Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Drkaushal85 (4 hours later)
Please find attached
1. ABG report.
2. Other blood test reports. Sodium level slightly low, but it was later corrected with medication but was not tested again.

I am adding new questions and also asking unanswered question from past
1. Today whole day we didn't administer oxygen due to yesterday's bad experience. What should we do? Should we restart? Today whole day she didn't have breathlessness and pain without oxygen. Mostly nights become tough for her.
2. Tramadol can help in pain, but is there anything that can help in breathlessness?
3. If oxygen therapy is not able to solve breathlessness, does it mean that it is not due to lack of oxygen but due to anxiety or any other psychological cause?
4. If it is due to anxiety, do you suggest taking Petril MD 0.25mg?
5. We have only 10 hours of power, so is it Ok to give oxygen for 10 hours?
6. Once we get oximeter, can you please suggest how to decide on oxygen flow based on SPO2 level
7. How to rule out and avoid oxygen toxicity or any other harmful effect of oxygen

Thanks,
XXXX
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Answered by Dr. Drkaushal85 (2 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Give oxygen at night only.

Detailed Answer:
Thanks for your follow up question on Health Care Magic.
I can understand your concern.

Answer to your 1st question.

You can give her oxygen in the night only. No need to give in daytime because she is asymptomatic in daytime.

Answer to your 2nd question.

I have gone through the drug list. She is not taking any oral bronchodilator. So she can take acebrophyllin sustained release at night time before bed.

Answer to your 3 rd question.

It is very difficult to stamp the diagnosis of anxiety neurosis because she is having organic disease.
But yes, end stage diseases can cause great impact on psychological Health of patient. So some degree of psychosis is present. And this can contribute to tge symptoms.

Answer to your 4th question.

Please let me know if you have ever consulted psychiatrist fir her?

Answer to your 5th question.

Better to give oxygen at night time. Do you have power at night?

Answer to your 6th question.

If Spo2 falls below 85% then give 2 lit /min.
If it is 85-90 then give 1lit/min. If it is more than 90 then no need to give in daytime, give only at night.

Answer to your 7th question.

It is very difficult to diagnose this. But you need to get done ABG for this. You prevent oxygen toxicity, better to give according to Spo2 readings.

Please reply me answers of above asked questions, so that I can guide you better. I will be happy to help you further. Wishing good health to your mother. Thanks.

Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Vaishalee Punj
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Follow up: Dr. Drkaushal85 (37 hours later)
Dear Dr XXXXXXX
I had attached ABG and Sodium reports. Not sure you saw that.

Instead of asking many questions and losing focus, please help with this only one question:

My mother remains OK for 1-2 days and then she starts feeling breathlessness and severe pain in head and chest. This extreme condition goes for 6-8 hours. It can happen in day or night anytime. It will be so severe that she and we all pray for her peaceful death during that 6-8 hours. Again she will be normal but we are scared about next such attack. She is not comfortable taking oxygen and we are yet to be sure about the extent tramadol is helping. We just got the medicine.
Now my question is - Suppose we take her to the best hospital in the country and admit and you are treating her there, what will you do for that 6-8 hours for in-patient? Is something possible in case of in-patient to ease her life for that 6-8 hours which is better than the home care that we are currently doing? She was already admitted in XXXXXXX in XXXXXXX Asia but then she didn't used to get this 6-8 hour attack thing and we didn't find in-patient care any better. This attack thing started recently.

How many more months will this go like this?
Thanks,
XXXX
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Answered by Dr. Drkaushal85 (18 minutes later)
Brief Answer:
We need to rule out Pulmonary embolism.

Detailed Answer:
Thanks for your follow up question on Health Care Magic.
I can understand your concern.
Sudden onset breathlessness, chest pain, headache etc in Pulmonary hypertension patients can be due to Pulmonary embolism.
To confirm this diagnosis, she need CT Pulmonary angiography.
If it shows Pulmonary embolism then injection enoxaparin should be started for 14 days and then oral tablet warfarin should be continues for 6-8 months.
Life expectancy in such case can not exactly determined. But with my clinical experience, life expectancy in such cases is 9-12 months.
Hope I have solved your query.
If you are not having further queries, then please close the conversation and rate my answer.
You can ask me directly on bit.ly/askdrkaushalbhavsar.
Wishing good health to your mother. Thanks.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Drkaushal85 (3 days later)
Dear Sir,
Please find attached the CTPA report and suggest if this reveals any cause of her extreme breathlessness, pain in chest and head. During the attack period when it was measured in measured, following data was seen
SPO2- 93%
PCO2- 63%
Pulse rate- 190

Please suggest.
doctor
Answered by Dr. Drkaushal85 (16 minutes later)
Brief Answer:
She is having right sided pleural effusion.

Detailed Answer:
Thanks for your follow up question on Health Care Magic.
I can understand your concern.
I have gone through the CT Pulmonary angiography report.
It is NOT showing any evidence of pulmonary embolism.
But it shows moderate amount of right sided pleural effusion.
So this fluid should be tapped because fluid in the cavity does not allow lung to expand. And if not removed, this can lead to infection.
Another possibility is worsening AF (Atrial fibrillation) because her pulse rate during episode is 190. So possibility of AF attack is more.
So along with dilzem cd she may need additional anti arrhythmia drug like amiodarone should be started for AF.
Hope I have solved your query.
If you are not having further queries, then please close the conversation and rate my answer.
You can ask me directly on bit.ly/askdrkaushalbhavsar.
Wishing good health to your mother. Thanks.
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What Do My Lab Test Reports Indicate?

Brief Answer: Give her long term oxygen therapy. Detailed Answer: Thanks for your question on Health Care Magic. I can understand your concern. Basic pathology in her is hypoxia. And in end stage disease, long term oxygen therapy (LTOT) is the best treatment. Daily 16-18 hours of oxygen is beneficial in symptomatic control. This also improves life expectancy. Another drug is picnovit (pine bark extract). It is newer Pulmonary antioxidant. It is having excellent role in chronic Pulmonary diseases. It prevents remodeling of pulmonary tissue. One more advice about current medicine. She should increase duolin to four times a day. Duolin is having levosalbutamol and ipratromium. Both are having action last for 3-4 hours. So ideal dose is four times a day. Hope I have solved your query. I will be happy to help you further. Wishing good health to your wife. Thanks.